MTNW 3.4 Junk Mail

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Jim Redelfs <jim.redelfs.TakeThisOut@redelfs.com> wrote:

 > I have numerous KILL filters setup that now appear to be circumvented by the
 > new Junk Mail function. Instead of KILLING filtered articles, it simply
 > highlights them as junk.

The Junk filter is initially placed at the end of your list of global ("*")
filters. If you move it to the top of the list instead, then everything
else will apply on top of that (score adjustments) or override it
altogether (color, kill).

(Don't forget too that you can use "Advanced Options > Don't Override This
Filter" to stop the cascading effect at any point.)

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CC Zona <cczona.DeleteThis@nospam.invalid> wrote:

 > The Junk filter is initially placed at the end of your list of global ("*")
 > filters. If you move it to the top of the list instead, then everything
 > else will apply on top of that (score adjustments) or override it
 > altogether (color, kill).
 >
 > (Don't forget too that you can use "Advanced Options > Don't Override This
 > Filter" to stop the cascading effect at any point.)

Oops. That qualifies as "RTFM". Sorry. :\

Thanks!
:)
JR
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Jim Redelfs <jim.redelfs.TakeThisOut@redelfs.com> wrote:



 >
  > > The Junk filter is initially placed at the end of your list of global ("*")
  > > filters. If you move it to the top of the list instead, then everything
  > > else will apply on top of that (score adjustments) or override it
  > > altogether (color, kill).
  > >
  > > (Don't forget too that you can use "Advanced Options > Don't Override This
  > > Filter" to stop the cascading effect at any point.)
 >
 > Oops. That qualifies as "RTFM". Sorry. :\

Nah, that was intended as friendly help. Hope your filters are working
now! :-)

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Jim Redelfs <jim.redelfs RemoveThis @redelfs.com> wrote:

 > If this is a case of RTFM, I humbly apologize...
 >
 > I have numerous KILL filters setup that now appear to be circumvented by
 > the new Junk Mail function. Instead of KILLING filtered articles, it
 > simply highlights them as junk.
 >
 > I realize that I can pref Junk Mail to KILL these articles but am
 > reluctant to do so: I noticed this afternoon that 3.4 decided several
 > articles within a binary thread were junk. IIRC (they're gone now),
 > they were integral articles.
 >
 > Any suggestions? In the meantime, I'll look into my supposition that
 > 3.4 is marking as "junk" legitimate binary articles.

Yes, it's incorrectly marking some messages in the middle of a thread
(binaries and text discussions alike). It needs more training.

Avoid using the "Remove Read" command, because it'll remove any messages
that the Junk filter marked -- even if you've manually unmarked them.

I think the best solution is to put up with it for the short-term while you
train it. Eventually it should be accuurate enough that you can change the
filter action from "highlight" to "delete".

You might want to turn on its "Do not override" option and move it to the
top of the "*" filters, so you can be sure you're seeing all the messages
that it would mark incorrectly.

I've been turning off threading temporarily and sorting by Score, to make
it easier to see & unmark any mismarked messages from the middle of a
thread. Then I turn threading back on and sort by subject so I can read
the newsgroup normally. It's a bit annoying, but I expect it'll be worth
it in the long run. Already its accuracy seems to be improving.

The new Junk filter also seems to be doing a good job of catching all the
posts by the resident troll in a certain non-Mac newsgroup, as well as all
the replies to his messages. Previously I had only been able to filter out
the troll's own messages, as his Message-ID's are not unique enough for a
References filter to be much good.
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"Wayne C. Morris" <wayne.morris.RemoveThis@this.is.invalid> wrote:

 > Avoid using the "Remove Read" command, because it'll remove any messages
 > that the Junk filter marked -- even if you've manually unmarked them.

Whoops, strike the last 6 words. "Remove Unread" does not remove messages
that you've manually marked as Not Junk. Not sure why I had gotten the
impression that it did.

So change that advice to 'Avoid using the "Remove Read" command until after
you've gone through and unmarked any messages that were incorrectly marked
by the Junk filter.'
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