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rhino1

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:01 pm
Post subject: Window Systems/Carbon
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How can you determine which "window system" a given Mac is running?

One of my friends is running Mac OS 10.3.5 and wants to install Eclipse
3.0.1 on his machine. According to the Eclipse docs, it is only tested with
the "Carbon" window system. How can he tell if he is running "Carbon"? I
assume there is some kind of setting or command that reveals this fact. I
know almost nothing about Macs and Brian has just upgraded from Mac OS 8.x
so he's not very familiar with OS 10.x yet.

Also, how common is "Carbon" as Mac window systems go? Is it the one that
the vast majority of people use or one that is fairly obscure? Just
curious....

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Gregory Weston1

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 2:40 pm
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In article ,
"Rhino" <rhino1.TakeThisOut@NOSPAM.sympatico.ca> wrote:

 > How can you determine which "window system" a given Mac is running?
 >
 > One of my friends is running Mac OS 10.3.5 and wants to install Eclipse
 > 3.0.1 on his machine. According to the Eclipse docs, it is only tested with
 > the "Carbon" window system. How can he tell if he is running "Carbon"? I
 > assume there is some kind of setting or command that reveals this fact. I
 > know almost nothing about Macs and Brian has just upgraded from Mac OS 8.x
 > so he's not very familiar with OS 10.x yet.
 >
 > Also, how common is "Carbon" as Mac window systems go?

100% for OS X. Carbon isn't a window system, it's the procedural API for
the last several iterations of Mac OS. I'm not sure what the docs would
mean as you've quoted them.

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rhino1

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:40 pm
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"Gregory Weston" wrote in message



 >
  > > How can you determine which "window system" a given Mac is running?
  > >
  > > One of my friends is running Mac OS 10.3.5 and wants to install Eclipse
  > > 3.0.1 on his machine. According to the Eclipse docs, it is only tested
with
  > > the "Carbon" window system. How can he tell if he is running "Carbon"?
I
  > > assume there is some kind of setting or command that reveals this fact.
I
  > > know almost nothing about Macs and Brian has just upgraded from Mac OS
8.x
  > > so he's not very familiar with OS 10.x yet.
  > >
  > > Also, how common is "Carbon" as Mac window systems go?
 >
 > 100% for OS X. Carbon isn't a window system, it's the procedural API for
 > the last several iterations of Mac OS. I'm not sure what the docs would
 > mean as you've quoted them.
 >
Sorry, I probably explained that poorly. The fragment below is what I saw in
the Eclipse docs. I was a little worried that Eclipse might not work well if
my friend Brian wasn't running Carbon but I didn't know how to tell if he
was. From what you're saying, it appears that we don't have a problem: he is
running Mac OS 10.3.5 so he is inevitably running Carbon. That means we
shouldn't have a major problem getting Eclipse to run on his machine.

Thanks for explaining what Carbon is; I know VERY little about Macs!

=================================================================
In order to remain current, each Eclipse release targets reasonably current
versions of the underlying operating environments.

Most of the Eclipse SDK is "pure" Java™ code and has no direct dependence on
the underlying operating system. The chief dependence is therefore on the
Java 2 Platform itself. The 3.0 release of the Eclipse Project is written
and compiled against version 1.4 of the Java 2 Platform APIs, and targeted
to run on version 1.4 of the Java 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition.

There are many different implementations of the Java 2 Platform running atop
a variety of operating systems. We focus Eclipse testing on a handful of
popular combinations of operating system and Java 2 Platform; these are our
reference platforms. Eclipse undoubtedly runs fine in many operating
environments beyond the reference platforms we test. However, since we do
not systematically test them we cannot vouch for them. Problems encountered
when running Eclipse on non-reference platform that cannot be recreated on
any reference platform will be given lower priority than problems with
running Eclipse on a reference platform.

Eclipse SDK 3.0 is tested and validated on the following reference platforms
(this list is updated over the course of the release cycle):

Eclipse Reference Platforms
Operating system Processor architecture Window system Java 2 Platform
Microsoft Windows XP Intel x86 Win32 Sun Java 2 SDK, Standard Edition,
version 1.4.2_03 for Microsoft Windows
Microsoft Windows XP Intel x86 Win32 IBM 32-bit SDK for Windows, Java
2 Technology Edition, Version 1.4.1

Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS 3 Intel x86 GTK Sun Java 2 SDK, Standard
Edition, 1.4.2_03 for Linux x86
Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS 3 Intel x86 GTK IBM 32-bit SDK for Linux
on Intel architecture, Java 2 Technology Edition, Version 1.4.1
SuSE Linux 8.2 Intel x86 GTK Sun Java 2 SDK, Standard Edition,
1.4.2_03 for Linux x86
SuSE Linux 8.2 Intel x86 GTK IBM 32-bit SDK for Linux on Intel
architecture, Java 2 Technology Edition, Version 1.4.1
Sun Solaris 8 SPARC Motif Sun Java 2 SDK, Standard Edition, 1.4.2_03
for Solaris SPARC
HP HP-UX 11i hp9000
PA-RISC Motif HP-UX SDK for the Java 2 platform, version 1.4.2.00 for
hp9000 PA-RISC
IBM AIX 5L Version 5.2 PowerPC Motif IBM 32-bit SDK for AIX, Java 2
Technology Edition, Version 1.4.1

Apple Mac OS X 10.3 PowerPC Carbon Java 2 Standard Edition 1.4.1 for
Mac OS X


=================================================================

Rhino
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Eric Albert1

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 3:40 pm
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In article ,
"Rhino" <rhino1.TakeThisOut@NOSPAM.sympatico.ca> wrote:

 > From what you're saying, it appears that we don't have a problem: he is
 > running Mac OS 10.3.5 so he is inevitably running Carbon. That means we
 > shouldn't have a major problem getting Eclipse to run on his machine.

That's right; Eclipse will run on any Mac OS X 10.3 system.

The chart you posted looks like it had a column for "Window system" and
they simply needed to fit something in there for the Mac. For Windows
they chose "Win32", which is also not a window system, but perhaps they
would've been better off following that and choosing "Mac OS X" for the
Mac one.

-Eric

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